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Comments on: A Question of Culture http://whiteafrican.com/2010/07/11/a-question-of-culture/ Where Africa and Technology Collide! Fri, 21 Dec 2018 15:55:40 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.9.24 By: jke http://whiteafrican.com/2010/07/11/a-question-of-culture/#comment-8975 Thu, 22 Jul 2010 15:28:03 +0000 http://whiteafrican.com/?p=3570#comment-8975 Wow, 24 comments so far on such a blog post.

To me, the perceived difference isn’t the problem or the issue, but instead that we have to define a difference in the first place in order to make other ppl understand that there are indeed a few cultural differences between societies for various reasons.

Ignoring everything else, for those criticising Hash’ approach I would like to explain that we (bridge bloggers, mediators, promoters, etc.) are looking for a way to make “Africa” attractive to the rest of the world. Hence the felt need to explain “what works in Africa…”. Because there are still a lot of “Westeners” who don’t spend a single minute thinking about other cultures – but at the same time like to cash in on them. Dito “Africans” who ignore other cultures & customs.

(~ Naija mafia spoiling it for everyone else on the continent)
(~ level of innovation in Africa vs. Asia vs. Europe vs. US)

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By: princessct http://whiteafrican.com/2010/07/11/a-question-of-culture/#comment-8974 Mon, 19 Jul 2010 17:57:52 +0000 http://whiteafrican.com/?p=3570#comment-8974 Its not a question of culture really, it is about survival. According to Maslow’s hierarchy of needs, human beings will first and foremost seek to survive. “Human being” here refering to any individual whether an African or Westerner. Aesthetics mean nothing when your belly is empty.

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By: Mary http://whiteafrican.com/2010/07/11/a-question-of-culture/#comment-8973 Sun, 18 Jul 2010 16:40:00 +0000 http://whiteafrican.com/?p=3570#comment-8973 Ps. This reminded me of an article I read last year during the height of the climate change debate. Based on one interview the writer had with a woman up in the North who said she had left “everything to God” with regards to changes in weather etc, he wrote a long piece on how Kenyans have to do more than “pray” as far as mitigating climate change is concerned. And threw in a few suggestions. I wondered how he had missed the thousands of youth groups and women groups and Wangari Maathai and farmers who are in fact doing something …. planting trees, educating people, stopping the rape of indigenous forests…. Sadly he equated “leaving things to God” as complete inertia on the part of not just this woman, but the entire country. I am surprised he didn’t throw in the whole continent for good measure.

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By: Mary http://whiteafrican.com/2010/07/11/a-question-of-culture/#comment-8972 Sun, 18 Jul 2010 16:26:17 +0000 http://whiteafrican.com/?p=3570#comment-8972 @ Josiah, one Kenyan yes – and granted there are probably many more like him/her – but surely not enough to make such a sweeping statement? I tend to go with Mavinga and Olex, economics, not culture. And like someone said, look through the folklore and you will find the tree, proud and strong and still standing. We have not always felt the need to cut trees.

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By: NotAmused http://whiteafrican.com/2010/07/11/a-question-of-culture/#comment-8971 Sat, 17 Jul 2010 21:06:24 +0000 http://whiteafrican.com/?p=3570#comment-8971 This post is sad, shocking and for a while I have had to just cool myself down before I could post. Has anyone agree with the blogger ever gone to an African village during market day? Why did Picasso use West African art for inspiration? Can form and function, and even spirtuality be removed from beauty? Is that not what many artists have been trying to scream out loud in the West, and are ignored? Why do poor Africans not wear black and white, but want other colours?
Are the people who want to chop down trees in Oregon Westerners? Is Sarah Palin of “drill baby drill” fame a westerner”?
The more things change the more they stay the same. Sad. Something to expect in 1930 but 2010? Something to expect from Karen Blixen, and yet we are back again at this juncture. (http://www.mg.co.za/article/2006-05-31-a-letter-to-baroness-blixen-out-of-africa).

Are the people of the state of Louisiana who support offshore drilling (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_state_surveys/louisiana/louisiana_voters_strongly_support_offshore_drilling_deepwater_drilling) Westerners?
The sad part there are Africans with artistic/aesthetic talent, who by nature of the ihub project are putting their economic futures in your hands.

@Ann
Per your comment “Perhaps when issuing visas to an African country we should require classes in Sociology, History, Economics and International Development!”

I get what you are saying, but Hash “grew up” in Africa. I have met 9 year old white kids who would be shocked at this statement.

If this statement were made here in the United States, supporters and funding agencies would be withdrawing support from ihub by now, well most of the big ones would.

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By: Mary http://whiteafrican.com/2010/07/11/a-question-of-culture/#comment-8970 Thu, 15 Jul 2010 07:51:41 +0000 http://whiteafrican.com/?p=3570#comment-8970 s aesthetic beauty. A Westerner sees a tree and loves it for it’s practical uses; for shade, or how much it can be sold for. ...would have sparked the same outrage and discussion about how Africans are stereotyped as superstitious, mystical, at-one-with-nature and ultimately primitive, and how Westerners are opportunistic, capitalistic and ultimately greedy. Lesson of the day: Generalizations help no-one, and hurt everyone. (no matter who makes them @Josiah).]]> It’s interesting that the opposite quote…

An African sees a tree and loves it for it’s aesthetic beauty.
A Westerner sees a tree and loves it for it’s practical uses; for shade, or how much it can be sold for.

…would have sparked the same outrage and discussion about how Africans are stereotyped as superstitious, mystical, at-one-with-nature and ultimately primitive, and how Westerners are opportunistic, capitalistic and ultimately greedy.

Lesson of the day: Generalizations help no-one, and hurt everyone.

(no matter who makes them @Josiah).

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By: JM http://whiteafrican.com/2010/07/11/a-question-of-culture/#comment-8969 Thu, 15 Jul 2010 05:32:39 +0000 http://whiteafrican.com/?p=3570#comment-8969 Huh, I can’t believe that I completely forgot about Wangari Maathai and the Green Belt Movement of Kenya while trying to chip in earlier! Whereas I understand the undercurrents of the topic are much stronger than just trees (and was why I pointed out the book Guns, Germs and Steel), her story (which won her a Nobel prize) is certainly a good counter to the assumptions made in this post (whoever originally came up with it) about Africans and trees.

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By: Mavinga Mambo http://whiteafrican.com/2010/07/11/a-question-of-culture/#comment-8968 Wed, 14 Jul 2010 23:48:21 +0000 http://whiteafrican.com/?p=3570#comment-8968 t cultures that really divide the world, its economic" For what it is worth, I would like to extend a hand of congratulation and thanks. The argument I was stubbornly in 10 to 15 paragraphs trying to make, you made it in one simple, yet persuasive paragraph. Yours is a clear and direct mind. Mavinga]]> @Olex,

“As an African I see a tree, first and foremost, as a source of oxygen for my existence. Westerners do not cherish trees for their aesthetic beauty–rich people do irrespective of whether they are Western, Chinese or African. But someone struggling to survive (irrespective of where he or she is a Westerner) would look upon a tree as a source of wood, shade or income. It isn’t cultures that really divide the world, its economic”

For what it is worth, I would like to extend a hand of congratulation and thanks. The argument I was stubbornly in 10 to 15 paragraphs trying to make, you made it in one simple, yet persuasive paragraph. Yours is a clear and direct mind.

Mavinga

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By: Olex http://whiteafrican.com/2010/07/11/a-question-of-culture/#comment-8967 Wed, 14 Jul 2010 15:37:15 +0000 http://whiteafrican.com/?p=3570#comment-8967 I would also suggest you read more about Wangari Maathai and the Green Belt Movement of Kenya. It may help put into perspective how a certain Kenyan school of thought saw and still see trees–as an essential part of nature that ought to be cherished and protected. This is a home grown Kenyan school of thought that stands in contrast to what we see capitalists (Western or otherwise) doing–cutting down trees, converting them to saleable items and profiting from it.

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By: Olex http://whiteafrican.com/2010/07/11/a-question-of-culture/#comment-8966 Wed, 14 Jul 2010 15:20:04 +0000 http://whiteafrican.com/?p=3570#comment-8966 As an African I see a tree, first and foremost, as a source of oxygen for my existence. Westerners do not cherish trees for their aesthetic beauty–rich people do irrespective of whether they are Western, Chinese or African. But someone struggling to survive (irrespective of where he or she is a Westerner) would look upon a tree as a source of wood, shade or income. It isn’t cultures that really divide the world, its economics.

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